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	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: andy cali</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomtalks.org/2008/04/10/the-angry-renter/#comment-82270</link>
		<dc:creator>andy cali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how do i sign peition</description>
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		<title>By: Stop the Housing Bailout</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomtalks.org/2008/04/10/the-angry-renter/#comment-80344</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop the Housing Bailout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious about these AngryRenters folks.  If what Sickle says is true, they should disclose it more prominently on their site.   I emailed the admin to inquire about their funding source and other issues.

Stop the Housing Bailout
(www.stopthehousingbailout.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious about these AngryRenters folks.  If what Sickle says is true, they should disclose it more prominently on their site.   I emailed the admin to inquire about their funding source and other issues.</p>
<p>Stop the Housing Bailout<br />
(www.stopthehousingbailout.com)</p>
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		<title>By: Sickle</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomtalks.org/2008/04/10/the-angry-renter/#comment-80311</link>
		<dc:creator>Sickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm in favor of a lot of their policies, Jeff.  I'm not a true free-market believer like these guys are, but in general we share the same values on fiscal responsibility and share a libertarian streak.  Our differences are in the flavor of libertarianism (I come from an individual perspective, they come from a corporate perspective).

The problems  have with them are pretty straightforward.  I don't think they're honest about what they do:

* They're a partisan group; several of their state directors are Republican activists, at least one is an executive of his state's Republican Party, one was a regional coordinator for Guiliani's campaign, etc.  Which would be fine, if they disclosed that, which they don't.  Kinnan bragged to the media in 2004 about how FW was working to get Nader on the ballot in swing states in order to help George W. Bush's chances in those states.  

* They're not funded by the grassroots and are not a grassroots organization.  They're funded by donations from major corporations, many of whom have a huge stake in the legislation they're pushing.  The Washington Post covered this, observing that FW took on certain issues (an everglades project and net neutrality, in particular) immediately after receiving large money donations from interested parties.  They have also used ruses to sign up "members" without their consent, also covered by the Washington Post.  FW will not release names of its donors.

* They don't practice what they preach.  FW's Oregon director pushed a ballot measure there which would have regulated the attorney market, despite FW's stated goal to end market regulation.  It is unclear how much FW money, if any, went to fund that project, but they did pay Kevin Mannix (another Oregonian, Republican party activist, and advocate of the ballot measure) over six figures for consulting services around this time.

There's more, but you get the gist.  I want them to be honest about what they do and how they do it.  I discovered these guys because I was one of the people signed up as a CSE (now FW) "member" against my will.  Didn't take long to figure who they were and what they do.

Oh, and finally:

* for a site all about fiscal responsibility, they have never said anything about the war in Iraq or Afghanistan.  Pretty conspicuous silence, there.  Which leads me to believe that, one way or the other, they are too cowardly to broach that issue, currently costing Americans at least $200 million per day.  So I have a hard time respecting, let alone comprehending, such a lack of courage to write about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in favor of a lot of their policies, Jeff.  I&#8217;m not a true free-market believer like these guys are, but in general we share the same values on fiscal responsibility and share a libertarian streak.  Our differences are in the flavor of libertarianism (I come from an individual perspective, they come from a corporate perspective).</p>
<p>The problems  have with them are pretty straightforward.  I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re honest about what they do:</p>
<p>* They&#8217;re a partisan group; several of their state directors are Republican activists, at least one is an executive of his state&#8217;s Republican Party, one was a regional coordinator for Guiliani&#8217;s campaign, etc.  Which would be fine, if they disclosed that, which they don&#8217;t.  Kinnan bragged to the media in 2004 about how FW was working to get Nader on the ballot in swing states in order to help George W. Bush&#8217;s chances in those states.  </p>
<p>* They&#8217;re not funded by the grassroots and are not a grassroots organization.  They&#8217;re funded by donations from major corporations, many of whom have a huge stake in the legislation they&#8217;re pushing.  The Washington Post covered this, observing that FW took on certain issues (an everglades project and net neutrality, in particular) immediately after receiving large money donations from interested parties.  They have also used ruses to sign up &#8220;members&#8221; without their consent, also covered by the Washington Post.  FW will not release names of its donors.</p>
<p>* They don&#8217;t practice what they preach.  FW&#8217;s Oregon director pushed a ballot measure there which would have regulated the attorney market, despite FW&#8217;s stated goal to end market regulation.  It is unclear how much FW money, if any, went to fund that project, but they did pay Kevin Mannix (another Oregonian, Republican party activist, and advocate of the ballot measure) over six figures for consulting services around this time.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more, but you get the gist.  I want them to be honest about what they do and how they do it.  I discovered these guys because I was one of the people signed up as a CSE (now FW) &#8220;member&#8221; against my will.  Didn&#8217;t take long to figure who they were and what they do.</p>
<p>Oh, and finally:</p>
<p>* for a site all about fiscal responsibility, they have never said anything about the war in Iraq or Afghanistan.  Pretty conspicuous silence, there.  Which leads me to believe that, one way or the other, they are too cowardly to broach that issue, currently costing Americans at least $200 million per day.  So I have a hard time respecting, let alone comprehending, such a lack of courage to write about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomtalks.org/2008/04/10/the-angry-renter/#comment-80288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sickle,

I am confused, are they wrong for policy reasons or because you don't like that you have to click around to find out who runs the site?

What are your issues with their policies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sickle,</p>
<p>I am confused, are they wrong for policy reasons or because you don&#8217;t like that you have to click around to find out who runs the site?</p>
<p>What are your issues with their policies?</p>
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		<title>By: Sickle</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomtalks.org/2008/04/10/the-angry-renter/#comment-80218</link>
		<dc:creator>Sickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not only that but he talks about these things as if FW is the only organization or PAC that uses these techniques to boost membership.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh. Hardly.  If that were true, policy and politics would be a lot cleaner.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Its odd to see a man who clearly has way too much time on his hands and such a blatant prejudice towards this organization, regardless of their ideals or actions. In fact, its rather sad…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think Mister Guy said it best:

&lt;blockquote&gt;When you are devoid of any new arguments, then it’s time to shoot the messenger eh?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not only that but he talks about these things as if FW is the only organization or PAC that uses these techniques to boost membership.</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh. Hardly.  If that were true, policy and politics would be a lot cleaner.</p>
<blockquote><p>Its odd to see a man who clearly has way too much time on his hands and such a blatant prejudice towards this organization, regardless of their ideals or actions. In fact, its rather sad…</p></blockquote>
<p>I think Mister Guy said it best:</p>
<blockquote><p>When you are devoid of any new arguments, then it’s time to shoot the messenger eh?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mister Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomtalks.org/2008/04/10/the-angry-renter/#comment-80213</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is that it's NOT a "separate website"...wake up!  When you are devoid of any new arguments, then it's time to shoot the messenger eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that it&#8217;s NOT a &#8220;separate website&#8221;&#8230;wake up!  When you are devoid of any new arguments, then it&#8217;s time to shoot the messenger eh?</p>
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		<title>By: HYrun</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomtalks.org/2008/04/10/the-angry-renter/#comment-80187</link>
		<dc:creator>HYrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats the point of Sickle coming to this website? He rails against membership tactics and "underhanded marketing" from FW to what avail? Not only that but he talks about these things as if FW is the only organization or PAC that uses these techniques to boost membership. I don't understand the criticism of the separate website for the "Angry Renters" as it simply consolidates a specific issue for anyone interested. They wrote a press release telling you they created the damn website, what more do you want? Its odd to see a man who clearly has way too much time on his hands and such a blatant prejudice towards this organization, regardless of their ideals or actions. In fact, its rather sad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats the point of Sickle coming to this website? He rails against membership tactics and &#8220;underhanded marketing&#8221; from FW to what avail? Not only that but he talks about these things as if FW is the only organization or PAC that uses these techniques to boost membership. I don&#8217;t understand the criticism of the separate website for the &#8220;Angry Renters&#8221; as it simply consolidates a specific issue for anyone interested. They wrote a press release telling you they created the damn website, what more do you want? Its odd to see a man who clearly has way too much time on his hands and such a blatant prejudice towards this organization, regardless of their ideals or actions. In fact, its rather sad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomtalks.org/2008/04/10/the-angry-renter/#comment-79932</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL...busted!  Nice job again Sickle.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;busted!  Nice job again Sickle.   <img src='http://www.freedomtalks.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sickle</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomtalks.org/2008/04/10/the-angry-renter/#comment-79929</link>
		<dc:creator>Sickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also like how there are only 32 individual entries on the petition page but it has "sixty signatories" because the so-called "signers" also put in all their family members.  On the sign page you can put in up to six family members "in your household."

Chris, you took advantage of that, too, adding Bob and Mike and Sue to the list, who I assume are family members in your household.  (Who pays the rent?)  You even signed twice, on April 8 and April 9, saying the first time "Thanks for this site" to the website owners without revealing that you're, well, the one who registered the damn thing.

Tell me, who is "Angry Renters" really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also like how there are only 32 individual entries on the petition page but it has &#8220;sixty signatories&#8221; because the so-called &#8220;signers&#8221; also put in all their family members.  On the sign page you can put in up to six family members &#8220;in your household.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chris, you took advantage of that, too, adding Bob and Mike and Sue to the list, who I assume are family members in your household.  (Who pays the rent?)  You even signed twice, on April 8 and April 9, saying the first time &#8220;Thanks for this site&#8221; to the website owners without revealing that you&#8217;re, well, the one who registered the damn thing.</p>
<p>Tell me, who is &#8220;Angry Renters&#8221; really?</p>
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		<title>By: Sickle</title>
		<link>http://www.freedomtalks.org/2008/04/10/the-angry-renter/#comment-79925</link>
		<dc:creator>Sickle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW I love what you're trying to do and support your effort in this regard (except I still favor some relief for ARM folks who weren't speculators and simply followed Greenspan's advice).  But I believe in doing so in an honest and forthright manner.  I have a real problem with these kinds of viral marketing tactics being used on such important issues (and to pad your membership rolls).  

Which is why I won't sign your petition, even though I actually want to.  I don't trust how you're present the signatures or where you'll say they came from.   I don't trust what you're going to do with our personal information, since it's not clear who AngryRenter is and I think FW is just going to keep it and use it for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW I love what you&#8217;re trying to do and support your effort in this regard (except I still favor some relief for ARM folks who weren&#8217;t speculators and simply followed Greenspan&#8217;s advice).  But I believe in doing so in an honest and forthright manner.  I have a real problem with these kinds of viral marketing tactics being used on such important issues (and to pad your membership rolls).  </p>
<p>Which is why I won&#8217;t sign your petition, even though I actually want to.  I don&#8217;t trust how you&#8217;re present the signatures or where you&#8217;ll say they came from.   I don&#8217;t trust what you&#8217;re going to do with our personal information, since it&#8217;s not clear who AngryRenter is and I think FW is just going to keep it and use it for themselves.</p>
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